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	<title>Comments on: Flip-flop Award &#8211; Hillary Clinton</title>
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		<title>By: We still don&#8217;t know the answer &#171; From Scratch</title>
		<link>http://foodpluspolitics.com/2007/10/12/flip-flop-award-hillary-clinton/#comment-523</link>
		<dc:creator>We still don&#8217;t know the answer &#171; From Scratch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 07:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by Senator John Edwards  of South Carolina. There were moments that went way beyond any Flip-flop Award I could give her &#8212; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] by Senator John Edwards  of South Carolina. There were moments that went way beyond any Flip-flop Award I could give her &#8212; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ellaella</title>
		<link>http://foodpluspolitics.com/2007/10/12/flip-flop-award-hillary-clinton/#comment-529</link>
		<dc:creator>ellaella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But I wish politicians would admit their mistakes; no one is infallible and a bit of humility goes a long way.

Agreed re: Blair at Camp David, although I doubt it would have stopped The Decider from proceeding as planned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I wish politicians would admit their mistakes; no one is infallible and a bit of humility goes a long way.</p>
<p>Agreed re: Blair at Camp David, although I doubt it would have stopped The Decider from proceeding as planned.</p>
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		<title>By: Roads</title>
		<link>http://foodpluspolitics.com/2007/10/12/flip-flop-award-hillary-clinton/#comment-528</link>
		<dc:creator>Roads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 21:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, we just don&#039;t have such a problem with the concept of flip-flopping over here.

It&#039;s generally interesting and instructive when a politician changes their mind. Because it often means they&#039;ve thought it over and come to a wiser conclusion.

And wasn&#039;t it Winston Churchill who said - &#039;Never explain. Never apologise.&#039; I don&#039;t necessarily agree with him, but that is almost a rule of politics these days that they don&#039;t admit their mistakes.

For all of that, it seems to me an asset to possess the flexibility to live and learn and change your mind and come to a more reasoned view. Hillary&#039;s initial position here was clearly nonsensical by any sane perspective. It&#039;s a shame she got it so wrong initially, yes, but at least she did come round.

In the opening stages of another potentially brewing conflict, at Camp David back in 2002,  Tony Blair agreed to invade Iraq.

We might certainly wish he had changed his mind by March 2003. He certainly had the chance. But he fluffed it.

Or perhaps he didn&#039;t want to look like a flip-flopper. Such a shame, that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, we just don&#8217;t have such a problem with the concept of flip-flopping over here.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s generally interesting and instructive when a politician changes their mind. Because it often means they&#8217;ve thought it over and come to a wiser conclusion.</p>
<p>And wasn&#8217;t it Winston Churchill who said &#8211; &#8216;Never explain. Never apologise.&#8217; I don&#8217;t necessarily agree with him, but that is almost a rule of politics these days that they don&#8217;t admit their mistakes.</p>
<p>For all of that, it seems to me an asset to possess the flexibility to live and learn and change your mind and come to a more reasoned view. Hillary&#8217;s initial position here was clearly nonsensical by any sane perspective. It&#8217;s a shame she got it so wrong initially, yes, but at least she did come round.</p>
<p>In the opening stages of another potentially brewing conflict, at Camp David back in 2002,  Tony Blair agreed to invade Iraq.</p>
<p>We might certainly wish he had changed his mind by March 2003. He certainly had the chance. But he fluffed it.</p>
<p>Or perhaps he didn&#8217;t want to look like a flip-flopper. Such a shame, that.</p>
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		<title>By: ellaella</title>
		<link>http://foodpluspolitics.com/2007/10/12/flip-flop-award-hillary-clinton/#comment-527</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 22:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@rhbee - roads, the commenter above you, is a Brit (and a rather brainy one) who brings a welcome and incisive across-the-pond perspective to many issues here. I don&#039;t think he&#039;d presume to talk about our candidates as we would.

I do think, as noted above, this flip-flop is part of a larger character issue. And while I, too, want an end to war I&#039;ve honestly never thought it was important to have a woman in the Oval Office. It would be great, but I want the best person in there. So far, she hasn&#039;t convinced me she is that person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@rhbee &#8211; roads, the commenter above you, is a Brit (and a rather brainy one) who brings a welcome and incisive across-the-pond perspective to many issues here. I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;d presume to talk about our candidates as we would.</p>
<p>I do think, as noted above, this flip-flop is part of a larger character issue. And while I, too, want an end to war I&#8217;ve honestly never thought it was important to have a woman in the Oval Office. It would be great, but I want the best person in there. So far, she hasn&#8217;t convinced me she is that person.</p>
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		<title>By: ellaella</title>
		<link>http://foodpluspolitics.com/2007/10/12/flip-flop-award-hillary-clinton/#comment-526</link>
		<dc:creator>ellaella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 22:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@roads&lt;/strong&gt; - Excellent analogy. If she had only replied to the citizen in NH along the lines of, &quot;Y&#039;know,&quot; -- she starts so many sentences that way -- &quot;I was harsh on him at the time but with reflection, I&#039;ve come to believe he was right.&quot;

Any acknowledgement that she just might have been wrong would have been fine with me. But she has a long history of being incapable of admitting she is wrong and that, to me, is a character issue.

Her flip-flop was surely political. Not only is she still hearing about her 2002 vote to authorize the war in Iraq, her opponents are criticizing her for last month&#039;s vote to label Iran&#039;s Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization. She says it was to gain leverage for negotiations; they say it&#039;s a prelude to an invasion.

Who but Hillary really knows where she&#039;s going on this issue? I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if she has already focus-grouped it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@roads</strong> &#8211; Excellent analogy. If she had only replied to the citizen in NH along the lines of, &#8220;Y&#8217;know,&#8221; &#8212; she starts so many sentences that way &#8212; &#8220;I was harsh on him at the time but with reflection, I&#8217;ve come to believe he was right.&#8221;</p>
<p>Any acknowledgement that she just might have been wrong would have been fine with me. But she has a long history of being incapable of admitting she is wrong and that, to me, is a character issue.</p>
<p>Her flip-flop was surely political. Not only is she still hearing about her 2002 vote to authorize the war in Iraq, her opponents are criticizing her for last month&#8217;s vote to label Iran&#8217;s Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization. She says it was to gain leverage for negotiations; they say it&#8217;s a prelude to an invasion.</p>
<p>Who but Hillary really knows where she&#8217;s going on this issue? I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if she has already focus-grouped it.</p>
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